Unrealistic Expectations
Some women love to go to strip clubs and claim it enhances their intimate relationships. Other women find strip clubs demeaning. How do you feel? Do strippers give men an unrealistic expectation of their women? Has the sex industry numbed men to love and commitment? Tell us how you feel.










Comments
I don't think that there is anything wrong with a man going to a strip club and enjoying the scenary. I think it can be a very innocent and healthy way for him to fullfill his fantasies. I go have gone to strip clubs with boyfriends in the past and it is a big turn on for both of us. I think many men may want their girlfriends or wives to be involved in this fantasy and often they might be afraid of their signifgant other's reation to it. If your relationship is going to work, this communication about what is hott and what is not for each person needs to happen and sometimes a woman might need to be a little more open-minded to her man's needs because he is going to need to fullfill them with or without u!
Posted by: Jourdan | April 16, 2008 3:31 PM
How would you feel if you found out that your husband has been frequenting strip clubs for four years and hasn't told you? He's been going once or twice a week, staying from 4:30 'til 5:30 or 6:00 and then coming home. He says he's just there because it's a good place to "drink a beer." I feel sick to my stomach and am having a hard time getting past this awful feeling. He's admitted to lap dances but says that he's done nothing wrong. I find it wrong on so many levels. I'd love to know what other women think about this situation.
Posted by: Virginia | April 15, 2008 7:15 AM
I don't agree with the stripper who lives the so called glamorous lifestyle. I am currently a med school student and do not need to demean myself by dancing. There are many other women who dont demean themselves as well. Statistics show that there is more negative than positive in women who strip. Sure there may be some good hearted people who strip, but unfortunately the majority fit the stereo-typical expectations of strippers. I knew a girl who went to college with me (whom i will not name) that started stripping as a way to earn extra money... and stopped going to school because she got caught up in the lifestyle. She even thinks its funny when married men desire her and spend money on her, and even likes to mess with married men only. She said it gave her a sense of superiority. I told her she was suffering from esteem issues if she does that to feel good and she got upset and stopped talking to me. I obviously hit a nerve and she was very defensive and thought that what she was doing was ok. I think it is disgusting and if your a real woman get a real job. I have other friends with bachelors and masters and doctorates degrees who never had to sell or exploit themselves for money. Some even have legitimate jobs as models. Unfortunately the majority of strippers who do make lots of money do perform SEXUAL FAVORS, but lie to themselves and say they are not prostitutes because they are in a "professional" environment, not in the streets. And if you are a dancer and reading this and think I'm just ugly that's why I’m saying this, or hate us because I'm jealous then obviously you need to grow up and get educated, because only low-browed mentalities think like that. I am a beautiful and independent WOMAN who has worked for everything in my life. ;) I am proud of my accomplishments without having to establish to such low low levels.
Posted by: v gonzalez | April 10, 2008 12:01 PM
I don't agree with the stripper who lives the so called glamorous lifestyle. I am currently a med school student and do not need to demean myself by dancing. There are many other women who dont demean themselves as well. Statistics show that there is more negative than positive in women who strip. Sure there may be some good hearted people who strip, but unfortunately the majority fit the stereo-typical expectations of strippers. I knew a girl who went to college with me (whom i will not name) that started stripping as a way to earn extra money... and stopped going to school because she got caught up in the lifestyle. She even thinks its funny when married men desire her and spend money on her, and even likes to mess with married men only. She said it gave her a sense of superiority. I told her she was suffering from esteem issues if she does that to feel good and she got upset and stopped talking to me. I obviously hit a nerve and she was very defensive and thought that what she was doing was ok. I think it is disgusting and if your a real woman get a real job. I have other friends with bachelors and masters and doctrates degrees who never had to sell or exploit themselves for money. Some even have legitimate jobs as models. Unfortunatley the majority of strippers who do make lots of money do perform SEXUAL FAVORS, but lie to themselves and say they are not prostitutes because they are in a "professional" environment, not in the streets. And if you are a dancer and reading this and think I'm just ugly that's why i'm saying this,or hate us because I'm jealous then obviously you need to grow up and get educated, cuz only low-browed mentalities think like that. I am a beautiful and independent WOMAN who has worked for everything in my life. ;)I am proud of my acomplishment without having to establish to such low low levels.
Posted by: v gonzalez | April 10, 2008 11:58 AM
Tyra, I was offended when I saw your show about stripping.I am very dissapointed about how you were acting. This from someone who modeled underwear for a living, someone who always seems to be so pro sisterhood and you're a talk show host that seems to always be one sided if the topic dose not fit you or your life .I myself have been a DANCER for 8 1/2 years and have met some of the most wonderfull woman: teachers, policewoman, scientist, DR.'s, you name it. They all went to school for their specialty while dancing and then graduated college and moved on. But were able to pay for their schooling from dancing. I contribute to society and pay my taxes, I make 25,000.00 a month+ and I own real estate, Three homes. I own six cars ,and my kids have their own cars. Their college is already paid for. I have donated a lot of money to several charities. And when it comes to the strip club no sex is involved what-so-ever, and I am tired of these people coming on talk shows saying all these slanderus and negative things about DANCERS. You have changed my opinion and feelings about you all the way.It is women like you that give DANCERS a bad name not DANCERS.
Posted by: cassidy | April 9, 2008 12:37 AM
I'm sorry Tyra love you but really come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I am a dancer have been since I was 18. I am 26 now. The look you give into "the life of strippers" is b.s. You did it what for one day if that totally different cic. I am very offended why you have to pick on dancers? Is that how you tried starting this thing you got going on anf it didn't work for you or what?
Posted by: | April 8, 2008 9:26 PM
Sometimes men want to do something different and if going to the strip club is something different to him then let him go. If you're not so much against it tag along with him learn something new that u can try at home to boost your relationship. Even if you can't really dance just try for fun. Trust he will always have that memory in the back of his head. DROP AND GIVE HIM FIFTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jennifer | April 3, 2008 9:52 PM
Before my man met me, he was a frequent visitor of stripclubs. Heck, the girl he dated before me was a bartender at a strip club! So, when we got together and eventually started having a sexual life together, I noticed things were different. He didn't always go to me for his sexual desires. He would go to the internet, look at porn, etc. There were major problems in the bedroom to the point where I concluded he was addicted to porn. After a lot of arguments etc. he was able to admit to me (and later to himself) that he was addicted to porn. He had a distorted view of women and objectified them. We didn't have a fulfilling sex life because I wasn't supposed to fill that requirement. He had it filled through porn and watching women. He got help, quit the porn, changed his whole mindset, and now we have a beautiful sex life together that is just getting better and better.
I believe strip clubs affect men differently but for my boyfriend, it was definitely a danger zone--not because he misbehaved, but because it made him resituate his sex life as a solo act and not as something done with a partner. Now that he has realigned sex as something between a man and woman in love (in oppose to a man, a hand, and images of sexualized bodies), our life is that much more fulfilling.
Posted by: Brigitte | April 3, 2008 10:57 AM
I am really torn between this whole topic. In a personal aspect I do not feel comfortable with my man going to strip club. I watched the show and read comments about how women get turned on by seeing their other half getting into it and that it helps in the bed. What some people don't realize is it's good in bed because the thought of that other woman is in your mans head. Personally when I'm getting intimate with my man I want him to be into it because of me, the thought of me and him doing the nasty. Not the thought of some other female and the way she moved. Many women find that the dancing it's self is attractive and feel that if their man is turned on by it they "hey I can't move like that so why not have him look at her and I get the good stuff". Now days they have classes that is actually an exercise program (just like going to the gym) that teach you to do the lap dancing and pole routines. I would rather spend my money on classes like that to spice up my bed room time, then have my money spent on someone else doing the work for me. I'm not against anyone who feels differently then I am, it's just my personal opinion. It's my man and I want his attention, especially when it comes to intimacy.
Posted by: Heather | April 3, 2008 9:20 AM
well i think if a man want to go to a strip club there is some thing wroung in the bed room cuz a man want to be able so get it up and use it!!!
Posted by: tami | April 2, 2008 1:26 PM
TERRIBLE! You women & men are waisting your money. I worked off and on at clubs in Southern California. It is great for the dancers but honestly what are you really getting out of spending money on someone else who could care less about you?? Did you know that 95% of the men who came in there want more then just a lap dance? You think you boyfriend is just going to have fun and thats it but your wrong. You are a fool to think otherwise. Its really sad that they think having a girl grind on them and practically have to beg and beg for a lap dance is exciting. Once you men and women walk thru the door you are fair game and all we see is dollar signs. My advice is save your money for a trip, or treat your girl to dinner and a movie. Most of the dancers have girlfriends or boyfriends of there own that they are spending your money on.
Posted by: Shell | April 1, 2008 5:28 PM
Once a year my boyfriend and I go to Las Vegas, as a special treat to him we go to a very tasteful strip club. It started with us going with one of his friends and I did not want to go, but instead of going back to our casino by myself I went with them. The boys got lap dances. At first I was not sure about it but I was there and could see what was happening. Then my boyfriends friend thought it would be funny for me to get one. I was not comfortable at first but then watching my boyfriend getting turned on was interesting to me.
Now everytime we go to Vegas we go by ourselves. I personaly do not get turned on by the stripper, but i do by watch the look on my mans face when I'm getting a lap dance.
I think people just need to be more open mined.
Posted by: Lisa | April 1, 2008 5:06 PM
I understand that stripping, or "dancing" is a profession, and many women do it to support themselves and their children, or to work their way through college. However, I do feel its very degrading. It's bordering on porn, or even more, prostitution.
These women are being tipped, or payed for their sexual services. they may not actually be having sex for money, but taking off your clothes and dancing for money is certainly a sexual favor, and they're being PAID for it, directly by those viewing and receiving the sexual favor. It really is a more mild form of prostitution.
I've heard people say, "if you've got it, flaunt it." OK... for your husband. For the one person you're with. Your body is not meant to be for the whole world, its meant to be for your spouse to enjoy, not everyone else. The fact that women go to strip clubs with their boyfriends or husbands, and are OK with it shows that monogamy is dying. He may be going home with you, but he was aroused by another woman, and is probably still thinking about her going home. No man, no matter how faithful, is immune to a beautiful stranger taking off her clothes and dancing for him. He's going to think about her, fantasize about her, do things in his mind with her that he should only be doing with the woman he's with.
The fact that so many people are so "open minded" to this and see it as another form of entertainment, shows how much the ideas of right and wrong have been blurred, and how far the morality in America has declined. It also shows how naive America is to how harmful this profession can be for the women performing, for those viewing, and for those effected by someone going to strip clubs.
One argument that can be made against stripping is that these women are someone's daughter, sister, cousin, friend, etc... and how would you feel if someone close to you chose to do that. In some cases that is a good argument. However, as we have seen on the Tyra show, some of these women are supported by their loved ones in doing what they do. Might I add that this is most likely the exception, and not the norm. Just as women who actually enjoy what they do as strippers and feel no negative emotional or mental side effects of their profession, is an exception, and not the norm. The argument that I think is a more solid argument, is that even if these women are supported by their family and friends, and are not emotionally or mentally effected by what they do, the profession of stripping is not fair to other, women who work hard with their minds and their talents to make a living. Its just another way to put the most beautiful women up on a pedestal for men to look at and drool over. It creates and feeds insecurities in women, just like pornography, and the media which worships beautiful women.
Stripping, like porn and the media also raise the physical and superficial expectations of men and give them a reason to be shallow. Stripping, pornography, the media which worships sex, all of these are damaging to society in general, they are warping and skewing the mindsets of men and women, they are showing women as objects to be bought, and opening up women for harassment. These beautiful women are being appreciated ONLY for whats on the outside. These women may as well not be a real human beings, just beautiful, soulless shells dancing. I would think the evils of stripping would be obvious, but obviously they're not.
My problem is not with the women who strip, my problem is with stripping in general. I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful and amazing women who strip for a living, but you'd never know how wonderful and amazing they are because their profession never goes deeper than the surface. I think these women owe it to themselves to try their hardest to get out of stripping and find something where they can be praised and rewarded for the real talents they have.
Posted by: Aubrey | April 1, 2008 1:28 PM
The show isn't over yet, and I can't stand to see that people can be so close minded. I prefer not to go to a strip club, even though I have with my husband,but the bottom line is your paying for entertainment, everyone does in some sort of way, whether it's going to a concert or buying cd's or going to the movies that's entertainment-so is the strip clubs. We all got fantasy as well, from marrying George Clooney to becoming millionaires, it's all part of the entertainment.
Posted by: Iris | April 1, 2008 11:37 AM
When my girlfriend and I first got together 6 yrs ago she had always tried to get her husband (when she was married)to take her to the strip clubs in New Orleans but he wouldn't. After we started dating she mentioned that she was curious about going to one,so I took her and she was nervous at first because she thought there would be more guys than girls....she was relieved when we went in.We go about once a month,we go to the same two clubs,we have gotten to know alot of the girls and they know us,when they see us they come up and hug us and talk,we BOTH go back there to the VIP at the same time,it's a HUGE turn on and builds the excitement for when we get home.One of the girls there has her MOM come every once in a while and watches her daughter perform and gives her own daughter dollar bills.....good to see that kind of support.There are some trashy strip clubs out there that do drugs and prostitute but we stay away from those.
Posted by: Jeff | April 1, 2008 11:37 AM
I am a 29 yr old dancer. we dont call ourselves "strippers" it makes it sound bad. I have only been dancing for 2 and a half years. I had went to college after h.s. and worked in a bank for over 5 years. A mis-conception there. Working a 40 hr 6 day week in a bank I managed to get my car repoed, got evicted from my apt. I just couldnt pay the bills. I made in 10 hrs what i made in 2 weeks in a bank. I now drive a Lincoln Navigator in which I was able to pay for outright.I did purchase myself implants,and I am about to purchase my first house. Pinching pennies in the bank I could never make my dreams happen. I travel all over the states visiting family and seeing the country.My old branch mgr and i have an awesome relationship now. After he watched a special on the Discovery channel he understands.
My problem is, people judge too quick. We are entertainers and not whores. I do attend church on Sundays and I honestly dont pray for forgiveness because I'm not doing anything wrong. I go in, shake my money maker and get out! I go home alone at night.
As for girls going to strip clubs I do find it harder for us to make money. Guys are scared to tip, they dont want there girls to get mad at them. Its hard for us to get our lap dance( where the money really is). when the girl is there. The fights I've seen are usually between girls or girls and the guy they came with.
I am also one of of our "pole dancers" who actually perform up high. I have girls ask me to teach them so they can take it home to their man.
I just think women should stay out if they are unsure of how they feel about being there.
Posted by: Liz Coveny | April 1, 2008 11:34 AM
Hello I use to be a dancer and I enjjoyed dancing for woman I liked changing their minds on woman we are all beautiful people and woman are very beautiful it's easy to turn on a man but to turn on a woman was a turn on for me. my husband use to come into the club while I worked I would have my friends to dance for him it would turn me on to see this I even brought a girl home for us to share it took our marriage to a new level. I love beautiful woman my best friend still does it. she is really good at it I tought her how to be very sexy when she dances she can turn on any woman.
Posted by: Paula | April 1, 2008 11:32 AM
Tyra, I am a grandmother of a 6 yr. old whose father (my son) and mother are both strippers. At first it was cool but now the parents have move into porn. I am furious and refuse to sit back and watch them destroy my grandbaby and her other siblings life. I was hoping you would ask any of those girls if they had children just to hear their response. I use to have a love for watching the art but now that I see what it can turn a person into it makes me sick!
Posted by: Lisa | April 1, 2008 11:07 AM
My best friend and I have been friends for 15 years, since ELEMENTARY school. She graduated top of her class in high school, and started interning at NASA her first year of college. She's going for her Master's in Space Physics. Due to unforseen circumstances with her health, she had to give up her dream, but is now going toward a law degree. She has been stripping through college and I love and support her for it. I'm the only one that knows. She is the most intelligent woman I have ever known in my entire life, she truly is a genius. Stripping pays the bills, tuition, and her rent, more power to her. I have full time work and school and I still had to take out thousands of dollars in loans, $7500 for one semester. Strippers can be smart women, don't misjudge because of what they do for a living.
Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2008 10:40 AM
If most strip clubs weren't glorified whorehouses, and were really just about the entertainment and the fantasy, they might be a great thing.
In today's society, with 'strippercize' and the like desensitizing women to the idea of stripping, it's no surprise there's been an influx of women going to the clubs.
I think it could be a valid art form, but when 30 bucks gets you anal, it's not so much about the show anymore. Especially in the male strip clubs, where it's just a bunch of flaccid cracked out guys wiggling around. There's no entertainment value in that at all. If it was about the art form, the beauty or the entertainment, the girls and guys up there performing wouldn't have to be drunk or high to get through it.
Posted by: Patrick | April 1, 2008 9:49 AM
I was a waitress at a strip club for two years. I was born and raised in a small town and NEVER knew the things that i know now. I worked in a very nice, large, popular club. When i fist started, i had NO IDEA the reality of strip clubs. I learned real quick. The club i worked at employed over 500 stripers. The reasson is because the strippers had no schedule. They were allowed to come and go as they please. There were ALL ages, ALL races, ALL body types, ETC. I learned that MOST of the strippers had to do something in order to do what they were doing. Cocaine, alcohol, weed, and pills ( xanax, and vicodin ) were an every day all day long necessitie. They would spend so much money on those things on a very regular basis. Another thing i found out real quick was sex. Like it or not, it is true. The majority of strippers would have sex or oral sex in or out of the club. If a girl walks in as a new stripper not having sex or doing oral sex, she changes pretty quick. She will find out that it is virtualy impossible to make money at all without doing SOMETHING sexual. The men know that they can go in there and get whatever they want. Why would they get a normal dance when they can get sex. If they see a girl they like, and she just so happens to be a clean dancer and they want a dirty dancer, they will get rid of her and find another one. They can find someone that will perform oral sex on them for $50 all the way up to thousands. The more money you are going to spend, the prettier the girl. Yes, it is true about the VIP. It is more money to go into VIP. They do have sex and drugs in VIP. Even worse, the waitresses become, in a sense, pimps. The customers come to us, tell us what they want, give us a little money, and we go get what they are looking for. Knowing fully well that they want sex. I have walked up on to so many people having sex, oral sex, girls being sexual with other girls, ETC. Another thing that i learned was that pimps are real! I had NO IDEA !! About half of the strippers had a pimp. The pimps would go into the club, sit around and watch their girls making sure that they are making them their money. They would collect their money, as well as find new girls. It is all TRUE ! Having said all that, not EVERY stripper did those things. VERY, VERY, VERY, few strippers were totaly clean girls. VERY few. There are some that are truly going to college and supporting their kids. Not only was it about the ammount of money that could be made, but it was also about the schedule. If you have kids and have issues taking them to daycare, you don't have to worry about that when you have a job that allows you to come and go as you please. The same goes for school. You don't have to worry about your school schedule conflicting with your work schedule, cause there was no work schedule. I also learned that if a customer paid a waitress enough money, that would get the waitress to perform sexual acts inside or outside the club as well. I personaly have never done anything. Beleive it or not, i don't drink ( never have ) i don't do drugs of any form ( never have ) i never did any sexual act. That would probably be the reasson that i made the least ammount of money of any waitress in the whole entire club. I was a daytime waitress. That means my schedule was from 11:00 a.m. till 7:00 p.m. On a good day for me, i would make $100 up to $300. That was good for me. Most of the daytime waitresses idea of a good day would be making $300 and up. Night shift started at 7:00 p.m. That was when all the night shift staff came in. All the bartenders, managers, waitresses, bussers, door girls, house mom, ETC. The drinks in the daytime started at $4.75 and went up. At night, they started at $7.50 and went up. Cover goe from $5.00 during the day, up to $10.00 at night. The crowd changes from older, business type, rich men in the day, to young, partying, not so rich guys at night. But the whole entire club at night would be packed full of people. The club was huge ! It had a total of two stages, 4 bars, and 4 vip areas. This is not a bull sh#*t story. I do not gain anything from making any of this up. I don't gain anything from telling this information anyway. I just thought that people would like to know. TRUST ME !! What you hear IS SO VERY VERY TRUE !!
Posted by: Melinda | April 1, 2008 9:29 AM
As a former "exotic dancer", I am uncomfortable with either myself or my husband going to strip clubs. I consider myself an attractive, smart young woman and am confident in myself and my relationship. It is the atmosphere that I find to be inappropriate for my husband & I to be in. I lived it, worked hard to leave it, and I know the general story of 99% of the girls working there and the customers. Drugs, addictions, after-hours sex, and lots of very sad stories. I think because I know what is behind that "veil of sexual appeal", it has the opposite effect on me. It is a complete turn off and brings back nothing but awful memories!
Posted by: Anne | April 1, 2008 8:19 AM
I personally has not been to a strip club I use to want to be one because I am a very seductive dancer but on the other hand don't like a lot of attention so can't understand how they like all those eyes on them not knowing what type of preditors are lerking but I will love to learn some of their stripping techniques for my man it can be fun for the bedroom I'll rather take a class for the experience then visit a club let me be his Sexy Chocolate private dancer for the day
Posted by: Teya | April 1, 2008 6:37 AM